usage of alpha and beta waves

[japsander]

is there any way to actually control these?

no matter how i try i cannot make any of them do what i want. i just sit there staring at the screen

has somebody had any luck so far, or are the sensors just actively recieving the waves and waiting for a software update for the nia to better interprit them as the glance function was? (glance is loads better by the way, cheers...)

maybe im just talking rubbish but when i looked at all the reviews about the nia they were talking about controlling the games with your mind, not just with muscle,

any links would be greatly welcome on the subject of training the mind to control these waves as for once google is not my friend

cheers everyone!

[Galv]

You cannot control waves like muscles by strength limits...Basically nia program does not show alpha/beta activity in appropriate view...the graph on the time table would be more comfortable and usefull...

[Unregistered]

Yes, there is a way to control brain activity, it is called meditation. Another aspect of that is pain management, try to have somebody pinch you with a needle and the pain will cause selectively the beta 2 waves to go down (at least that happens with some of the users that have reported back and I have been able to replicate it).

We are currently reserving this for a future version of the nia with force-feedback that will stab you with needles if you get shot .... just kidding.

Alpha brain waves are associated with aggression and are very often the difference between success and failure in performance sports since successful athletes are typically capable of suppressing them by focusing on whatever task they need to accomplish and "getting into the zone"

Particularly the alpha 2 component is what I call my Tourette brainwave .. all I need to do is think "motherf ... er" and it selectively reacts and goes up.

That said, you are looking at waves that are propagating through the brain like ripples on a pond and the sensors can only pick up whether there is a ripple or not but that does not give you very good timing precision... it is like changing an emotional state, it takes longer than what you would need to shoot an enemy when he is running at you.

Here is a bit more info on that: http://www.lostcircuits.com/advice/ocz_nia/5.shtml

[japsander]

lol ive just been sat for an hour trying to control my guy on quake wars using alpha and beta

so i guess can only use the glance and muscle options as controls then?

thats a shame. i was hoping to be able to make full use of all the functions (with practice of course)

i just thought that with the alpha and beta joystick functions there would be a way for me to utilise them, but if not why are they even there as inputs?

if i can only use muscle and glance then i am better off just using my pad or kb/mouse.

oh well, i guess ill have to find another use for it apart from gaming

or ebay it of course but i dont really want to do that, i so love my gadgets!

[K3T]

lol glance is not even easy i swear :P

[Unregistered]

Guys, get the newest driver release that has a bunch of fixes for both glance and alpha/beta components.

Hint: alpha 2 is what I call the Tourette component
Beta 2 appears to be pain-sensitive

and with a bit of practice you can figure out the rest and make it work.

[japsander]

i can only find 1.002 update on the main page!

i thought there was another one released?

[Unregistered]

Sorry, I had released the 1.003 for distribution on Friday but apparently somebody did not upload them..

They will be up tomorrow for sure.

[Olternaut]

Woh. So how is the timing with this device? I intend on training myself to do whatever it takes to use this device to the fullest. Are you saying there is no way I can use this device for serious shooting even if I do some serious training on it?

[Unregistered]

No, that is not what I am saying, timing is extremely quick but you want to use what we call the muscle channel and use for example the "eye-lid" reflex, which is essentially based on a monosynaptic feedback loop between the eye and the motor neurons that close the eye.

Because this bypasses any cognitive processes and higher level cortical processing that could be described as "thinking" it is much faster than "thinking". Just remember the case where you closed your eyes before a fly or a rock or anything else hit it and before you even saw that there was something flying towards it.

This type of reflex is among the fastest "reactions" the human body is capable of. With a bit of training, my average reaction times are down to approximately 80 msec using eye-lid to trigger the responses whereas I have a hard time to get under 150 msec using mouse clicks -- and that is even darn fast compared to what most people achieve.

[Olternaut]

No, that is not what I am saying, timing is extremely quick but you want to use what we call the muscle channel and use for example the "eye-lid" reflex, which is essentially based on a monosynaptic feedback loop between the eye and the motor neurons that close the eye.

Because this bypasses any cognitive processes and higher level cortical processing that could be described as "thinking" it is much faster than "thinking". Just remember the case where you closed your eyes before a fly or a rock or anything else hit it and before you even saw that there was something flying towards it.

This type of reflex is among the fastest "reactions" the human body is capable of. With a bit of training, my average reaction times are down to approximately 80 msec using eye-lid to trigger the responses whereas I have a hard time to get under 150 msec using mouse clicks -- and that is even darn fast compared to what most people achieve.

Regardless, I would like to eventually train myself to run this thing on thinking alone. Don't underestimate the public gaming community at large. We might use twitches and eye lid blinking at first like we're a bunch of epileptics having seizures but given enough time we can get the technique down to thinking alone.
.........that is if this NIA has that capability.

[Unregistered]

Oh, I think that that is definitely possible, I am personally halfway there already

Just watch this video:
http://www.game-tv.com/videos/mode/4...match-2/3.html


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